Intel 925X Roundup: Creative Engineering 101
by Wesley Fink on August 12, 2004 12:05 AM EST- Posted in
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Final Words
For the last seven weeks since the 925X/915 chipsets were released, AnandTech has felt like an R&D lab for motherboard manufacturers. It seems as if every day brought new revelations and some new BIOS to fix some overclocking or performance issue. If we look at where performance started and where it is today, we would have to conclude that the improvements are remarkable. This is particularly true in the overclocking arena, where real progress has been made in meeting the challenges of the new Intel design.But if, as the old saying goes, "confession is good for the soul", then we have to confess that the whole process has been a lot harder than it needed to be. All of this work was only necessary because Intel decided, after a couple of years of the remarkable overclocking abilities of the Northwood processor, that it was giving away too much performance for free. So, in designing the 925X/915, Intel made any significant overclocking as difficult as possible. We suspect Intel's plan was that significant overclocking of Intel chips would now be a thing of the past.
It turns out that the motherboard manufacturers have been up to the task of finding ways around these issues, but what we are left with, by and large, are band-aids on a fester. The issue isn't really fixed because we are certain that Intel does not see the constraints to overclocking as a real issue. What is most remarkable is that these new challenges are thrown at the Enthusiast community just at the time when Intel is losing significant ground to AMD in the performance arena. We have to wonder what Intel is thinking these days in trying to take away the one performance advantage they still held over Athlon 64, and that is the remarkable overclocking ability of the Pentium 4.
The five 925X boards in this roundup have all finally found some method of achieving reasonable success in reaching performance levels that Intel never intended you to reach. However, they are far from fixed and there is still much room for improvement - with one notable exception. The overclocking field for 925X right now seems to be clearly the Asus P5AD2 Premium, followed by a wide margin by everything else. We don't know how Asus did it, but for the past month, every other manufacturer has also been trying to figure it out, and they haven't completely figured it out either. So, Asus wins the Creative Engineering 101 award in a very spirited race. It is the only motherboard in the running that managed a 280 FSB with a top-line PCIe video card and a SATA hard drive on air cooling, and number 2 is at 265 after many, many BIOS revisions.
However, it would also be a mistake to look only at overclocking ability in evaluating these five top 925X motherboards because it totally dismisses the important performance differences that we found in these five at stock speed. Fortunately, this is one situation where the winner in the overclocking wars is also the top performer in stock speed benchmarks. In benchmark after benchmark, Asus and Gigabyte were the top 2 performers. That combined with the Asus domination of the 925X overclocking gives that rare clear winner of the 925X roundup.
Based on top performance at stock speeds, the wonderful implementation of Intel 925X/ICH6R features, the excellent enhancements to those features such as Stack Cool, Dolby Digital Live encoding, WiFi G networking, dual PCI Express LAN, high-speed 1394b firewire, and the best overclocking abilities of any 925X motherboard, we are pleased to award the AnandTech Gold Editors Choice to the Asus P5AD2 Premium. The P5AD2 hardly qualifies as cheap, but it does deliver excellent value with a standout range of features, enhancements, and performance. |
All four of the remaining boards in our roundup excel in one or more areas. The Gigabyte 9ANXP-D is essentially the equal of the Asus in performance at stock speed, and it is second only to the Asus P5AD2 in features. Both the Abit and DFI are excellent in overclocking, and both boards deliver a range of BIOS adjustments that will satisfy any Enthusiast. The Abit and Foxconn boards both deliver excellent value for the features that they deliver and both are cheaper than the other boards in the roundup.
In the end, the other four boards in our roundup are far too close in performance, value, overclocking abilities, or features compared to price to select a Silver or Bronze winner. There is just too little to distinguish them from the other excellent boards in the roundup, though the Gigabyte, Abit, and DFI are clearly a step ahead.
The question that remains is the value that these 925X boards deliver relative to what the competition offers. If you are buying a whole new system, then perhaps there is value here. If we had confidence that the new technologies, which are heaped on the 925X/915/LGA 775, were lasting, then that could sway a decision to one of the new systems. If we had confidence that the bus and DDR2 speeds would be viable for more than a couple of months, then a new 925X/915 might make sense. Unfortunately, we don't have confidence in any of these compelling reasons to buy a new 925X/915 system at this point.
What we can say is that the features delivered by the 925X/915 are truly excellent, and some of the new technologies, like PCI Express and High Definition audio, will either become the norm or heavily influence directions in the computer industry. We can also say with confidence that if you are looking for a new Intel system, you won't find a better motherboard than the Asus P5AD2 Premium to be the heart of your new LGA 775 system. The Asus is expensive, but it does deliver value. If the price is too much for your budget, then any of the other four boards can be recommended as decent alternatives.
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JustAnAverageGuy - Thursday, August 12, 2004 - link
On the Gigabyte 8ANXP-D:Page 10
Memory Slots Four 240-pin DDR2 Slots
Gigabyte provides 6 DIMM slots, but the total memory and number of sides that can be used is the same as the other boards in the roundup.
JustAnAverageGuy - Thursday, August 12, 2004 - link
Typo page 5:"The memory stress test measures the ability of the Abit AA8 to"
should read Asus P5AD2. :)
only on page 5, may be more.
l3ored - Thursday, August 12, 2004 - link
allright, point taken. howabout testing lower lga775 cpus and combining the results with 939 scores?Wesley Fink - Thursday, August 12, 2004 - link
#5 - You're welcome.We also ran and reported the rest of our standard motherboard tests, which included Business and Multimedia Content Creation Winstones and Media encoding (which Intel won by a small margin).
As we stated in the review the only reason we did not include our standard SPECviewperf 7.1.1 benchmarks is because we have seen variations of up to 100% in SPECviewperf results with certain 925X boards. We don't believe these results are real, and we are trying to find answers for these variations in benchmark results. Until we find some answers, publishing the workstation benchmark results would not really reveal anything about the performance of the 925X boards we are testing.
The FX53, Intel 925X, and Intel 915 results are included for reference and completeness. We are comparing five 925X motherboards in performance, and we do not mean to detract from that comparison with AMD Socket 939 benchmarks. Please consider the 939 results to be a frame of reference.
AnnoyedGrunt - Thursday, August 12, 2004 - link
From what I can see, the P4 560 is about $750, so that puts it right between the 3800+ (about $650) and the FX-53 (about $850) in price. It would be nice to add the 3800+ scores (if you have any) to that review just so we could see how the price/performance of the 560, 3800+, and FX-53 compare.-D'oh!
Shimmishim - Thursday, August 12, 2004 - link
#2 - Achieving a 4 ghz overclock on a pentium is nothing to sneeze at... i think 3.8 may be possible on air but 4.2 is really pushing.As much as a lot of us would love to see overclocked processor results, i think it's best that they only show stock clock results as they are easier to compare...
#3 - Its hard to say how fair it is to use a FX-53 against the 3.6 ghz 775 chip... but if you think about it, they are comparing the top end pentium 775 skt (new pin count) vs. the top of the line A64 939 skt (new pin count)..
Both are also 1 megs of L2 even though the extra cache doesn't help the A64 greatly.
Maybe a 3800+ would have been better comparison but i think he was trying to make things as easy to compare as possible...
Even if he had used a 3800+ or even a 3700+ i don't think the gaming results would have been that much different... we all know that the A64's dominate in gaming.
maybe some more tests besides gaming would have been better...
but all in all...
thank you Wes for a good article!
Wesley Fink - Thursday, August 12, 2004 - link
#3 - The 3.6 is the fastest Intel processor. If you will check our launch reviews you will see the 3.6 outperformed the 3.4EE. We are indeed comparing the best performing Intel - the 3.6 - to the best performing AMD - FX53.Prior to the 3.6, the 3.4EE was the fastest Intel CPU.
l3ored - Thursday, August 12, 2004 - link
lately i've been noticing unfair comparisons between intel and amd, in this article, high end processors are being compared with the top of the line from amd. this isnt really helpful to anyone, so please go back to the old anandtech way.Anemone - Thursday, August 12, 2004 - link
Nice article !If I could have had one extra wish it would have been to show a set of test charts with a moderate oc on them, think that would put the FX @ 2.6-2.7 and the P4 560's @ 4.2-4.3.
If the boards can overclock, and the 939's can too, where does it all land for those using just normal or at most water oc'ing.
No worry, these wishes do not detract from a very nice article.
Thank you
stickybytes - Thursday, August 12, 2004 - link
Nice to see asus get a award but unfourtanetly the word "prescott" mentioned in any sentence will probably scare away 80% of AT'ers.