Dell Precision T1650 Workstation Review: Ivy Bridge Xeons Bring Performanceby Dustin Sklavos on July 31, 2012 12:00 AM EST
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Application and Futuremark Performance
Given the Dell Precision T1650 is capable of supporting the fastest quad core processors available (with the Ivy Bridge Xeons even eclipsing their desktop brethren in raw clock speed), it's reasonable to expect it will do well in most of our benchmarks. At the same time, PCMark probably won't be as kind to the T1650's lack of SSD; the difference will be made up in the CPU-centric benchmarks later on.
It's definitely fast, though, and it shows an appreciable gain over last generation's Precision T1600 workstation. Note that the starting price of that system was $100 more than the T1650's, while that review configuration's CPU was basically maxed out and still $400 short of where we are with the T1650. Futuremark is going to render the difference between the two systems as efficiently as our more heavily CPU-based benchmarks will, though.
Single-threaded performance is as high as we've ever seen; it takes an awful lot of CPU to catch up to the Xeon E3-1280 v2 in our review unit. The E3-1280 v2 is as much as 13% faster than its predecessor and you'll see it draws less power in the process. At this point you really need to add cores to match the new Xeon's performance.
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Parhel - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkHonestly, that seems like a smart route to take. I'm not a hardware guy at all, but I think it makes sense. I would worry about longevity if they were mechanical drives, but with the SSDs, that should be good for the long haul. We just lease all our stuff at my work anyways, so the costs are entirely different.
Kaldor - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkLeasing is an option, but generally from a financial standpoint buying your desktops and leasing your laptops is the best route. When you lease, you cannot depreciate the hardware yearly. Thats also the reason we run on a 5 year cycle. Write off 20% per year. Cant do that leasing!
We do lease our laptops, and thats purely from a wear and tear standpoint. Every 3 years we turn them around. But we have far less laptops than desktops.
The SSD vs HD will always be a debate. I dont feel that a spinning HD dying is a major issue myself. I expect to replace 20% of the drives within the lifecycle of a desktop. Thats why we have networks drives and images. The SSDs are not there to provide durability, but to make the user experience better. I was once asked how we could improve the user experience 4-5 years ago, and I gave them two things, make sure the computer has twice the RAM in it that is really needed, and use an SSD for your application drive. All the rest falls into place after that.
Ananke - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkThese are like two dozen people at Apple, a dozen at Oracle and Google, etc. .. you get the idea. They don't use desktop workstations anyway, a good laptop - most likely MacbookPro is enough.
Similar workstations are in use for CAD.
Parhel - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkWhat, the salary? Maybe that was on the high side, but it's not all that unrealistic for a senior level DBA / software architect type job. At my organization, everyone in our development team automatically gets both a desktop workstation and a mobile workstation, from the most entry level guy on up. Even the QA team. And the higher levels guys basically get whatever they ask for. Why be cheap with the tools you give your top talent?
Penti - Wednesday, August 1, 2012 - linkAn engineer would need options that just isn't available on the cheapest desktops to begin with. Plus a decent business notebook (not workstation-class) is already 1500-2000 at base value, add in screens and keyboards etc. It's all in all nothing when it comes to the software cost. A Visual Studio seat with Team foundation plus licenses for testing stuff would cost you more then this workstation. Hardware engineers would use much more expensive software will need specialized hardware, add-on cards and so on too. A 5000 dollar workstation is nothing if it allows you to do your job. You might get by on older hardware and software, but you would suffer other limitations from doing that.
Any way managing your licenses will earn you more saving then skimping on your technical staff and engineers. It's not the office worker, sales staff, warehouse staff and janitors that will sit on workstations. They will have cheap desktops or more expensive business notebooks, depends on how everything is run. Hardware costs aren't a problem when just paying your basic software licenses (Windows, Office etc) will cost you more then a cheap desktop machine. The cheapest machines won't be as manageable and more expensive to serve then stuff made for business too. It's not cost of hardware that is a factor here. It's it environment, service/setup and use. Everybody probably shouldn't use the same machine. Some will cost more.
tipoo - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkLol...Who said it was for office workers typing in Office? Not every machine is for everyone.
miebster - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkAm I missing something?
What is the point of a computer like this? From dell you can get an optiplex 990 core i5 2500k, 16 gb ram, and 120gb ssd for $1200. Can someone give me a reason to buy the workstation over the optiplex?
Parhel - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkCompare the prices without all the options, and it doesn't look so bad. The CPU upgrade alone is $1100 over the base price. The GPU is $600. There are specific cases where you might opt for a workstation over a desktop, but the prices you're talking about aren't representative. The options on this review model seem to more to "show off" rather than represent a realistic configuration.
HammerStrike - Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - linkWorkstations are designed for users who have high performance computing needs ( CAD/CAM, engineering, financial modeling, scientific apps, etc. ) Main difference is:
1. Processors that have more cache on chip (hence the Xeon's). Higher end models alls offer multi-processor support as well.
2. Beefer motherboard to support Xeon processors - basically server MB's.
3. Pro grade graphics cards. Main difference here is that they have driver support and are optimized for applications mentioned above. Most of those apps won't really run on a consumer card, and even if you could get them going you wouldn't get any support.
Higher end work stations will typically support additional memory/types (standard business PC's typically top out around 16GB, while you can get a workstation with 64GB+ of ECC memory), as well as additional storage options (RAID 5, 10, etc, sometimes additional backup options, such as tape drive).
Admittedly, they probably sell 100 standard business boxes for every workstation, but if you are running a program that needs one you, well, need one. As mentioned above, much of the software that a workstation is designed for wouldn't run on anything else (no driver support), but for the apps that do offer more cross "platform" support the performance boast boast is night and day. It can be the difference of jobs taking minutes vs hours to complete.
As far as the Dell Precision units are concerned, they also offer some builds that are pre-certified to be compatible with many "workstation" grade applications and perform at a certain level with them. If you have an issue on a workstation that is pre-certified Dells support team will be able to troubleshoot and assist both the hardware and software issue. Depending on the issue, they may need to bring in the software developer, but the Dell team works with them tdirectly. Many companies find a lot of value in that.
alxxx - Wednesday, August 1, 2012 - linkplus space for a full length pcie card/s
More than 1 pcie x16 gen 3 slot (if needed)
E5 is the only Intel chip so far to have DDIO.
Expect to see it in all of them eventually.
A better comparison would have been with hp z420-E5-1620.
The one here seems a lot quieter than the z400.